Showing posts with label Myths. Show all posts
Showing posts with label Myths. Show all posts

Tuesday, January 23, 2018

Black Panther Myth: Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes was the Debut of the Vibranium daggers.


The Myth

 Avengers: Earth's Mightiest Heroes was the debut of the Vibranium daggers.




The Facts

Priest is also responsible for the Energy Daggers and they have appeared multiple times in the comics before the Earth's Mightiest Heroes cartoon and afterwards.


Yes, I am double dipping with this poorly made article.

The Energy Daggers were introduced by Mr. Priest 14 years before Avengers Earth's Mightiest Heroes...
Black Panther, vol 3, #1

Hudlin used them four years before Earth's Mightiest Heroes...

Black Panther, vol 4, #34

Hell, T'challa even used energy daggers in Ulton Unlimited, one of the most popular Avenger's arcs of all time, 13 years before Earth's Mightiest Heroes...

Avengers: Ultron Unlimited
And in the 2006 video game, Marvel: Ultimate Alliance...


I love EMH, and it features one of my favorite Black Panther characterizations ever, and actually got me into the character, but... it did not debut or popularize the energy daggers. At all. 

Black Panther Myth: The MCU "Suit to Black Panther Habit" Transformation Came from Coates


The Myth

Ta-Nehisi Coates’ is responsible for the idea of the MCU suit-to-habit transformation. 






The Facts

Christopher Priest is responsible for the suit-to-habit transformation that the MCU now uses. Both in concept and in the effects of the change. In fact, Coates has never shown a suit-to-habit transformation... only a mask that transforms. 


For the record, we are talking about this, which has been seen in multiple Black Panther movie trailer spots.




Mr. Justin Carter at CBR makes the bold claim that the first issue of Coates is where the idea of the suit-to-habit transformation came from. Unfortunately, he missed by three volumes... it was vol 3, #1 where Priest debuted the transformation...

Black Panther, vol 3, #1
... and then did it again in the next issue...

Black Panther, vol 3, #2
And later, he actually showed the full transformation, which is VERY similar to the MCU design.

Black Panther, vol 3, #13
Coates first issue (Black Panther, vol 6, #1) doesn't even feature a suit transformation! It only shows the mask coming on with the rest of the habit already in place.

Black Panther, vol 6, #1
In fact, not a single time in volume 6 is there a suit-to-habit transformation. The only transformation in the "modern" area was actually shown by Ewing in Ultimates².

Ultimates² #1

So CBR, in there rush to get another click bait article up, had someone write an article about Black Panther that:

1. Never read Priest's run
2. Never read the issue he was referencing (Coates #1).

We can do better than this folks!

Coates, and more specifically Stelfreeze, do get credit for the inspiration about the energy absorbing habit along with the coloring when that happens. That is taken straight from volume 6.

But the actual suit transformation? Naw, that is all Priest.

Tuesday, December 5, 2017

Black Panther Myth: Storm is the Reason for Black Panther Success.


The Myth

The popularity of Storm is what propelled Black Panther to success.  




The Facts

- Black Panther has had over 190 comics, Storm has had 26.
- During Storm's heydey in the 90's, she was not associated with Black Panther.
- Storm had nothing to do with Priest's run, which made T'challa a character capable of holding a long solo book.
- Storm, vol 2 used T'challa to boost its sales.
- The Marriage resulted in a one comic boost in sales only.
- The Marriage issue was the only time Storm ever increased BP sales. One issue.
- X-men: World's Apart used the Black Panther mythos.
- Not one time has there been a Black Panther story that spun out of the Storm mythos.
- The current rise of Black Panther's ability to sell came after the marriage and includes a solo book, multiple spin offs, a solo movie, and a cartoon. 
- Storm has used Black Panther for a boost in her sales, not the other way around. 


My first instinct is to attack this myth with snark. That is how ludicrous this position is... it likely shouldn't be taken very seriously and is obviously the work of a zealot. But you do see this opinion here and there but this is the first time it has been so... blunt and delusional about it.

But, facts trump snark (unless it's politics) so let's get down to business.

Storm's first solo series (Storm, vol 1) came out in 1996. It made it four issues. By that time, Black Panther had a 19 issue Jungle Action run (Jungle Action #6-24), a solo series Black Panther that was a 15 issue run that ran from 1977-1979 (vol 1, Kirby), a four issue mini series in 1988 (vol 2, Gillis), and another four issue mini series in 1990 (Panther's Prey).

So by the time Storm got her first solo series (or mini or anything), Black Panther had 42 comics he headlined, 19 of which had the name "Black Panther" in the title. It should also be noted he had another longer story in there as part of the "Marvel Comics Presents..." story line (Panthers Quest) that is about to be collected in trade format as well.

One point I will concede in this time period (the 90's) is that the very popular X-Men animated cartoon was in its heyday. Storm was a re-occuring character there and got a lot of eyeballs thanks to her easy to remember name, powers, and the fact she's black (the only one until Bishop came along). But, at the same time... she wasn't Wolverine, Cyclops, Xavier, Magneto, or even Jean. But she was an important part of the cast.

Unfortunately, her "popularity" peaked there and it had no bearing on her comics at all. And no bearing on Black Panther.The X-men brand was strong and she was an important part of that, but it never lead to any significant series of her own. During this time period, Black Panther was a dead-ish property, with no solo books in sight.

However, T'challa's rise back to prominence would happen with Black Panther, vol 3, in 1998 by Priest. Volume 3 lasted 62 issues spanning 1998-2003. People love to go "but it didn't sell!" It lasted 62 freaking issues... that is THREE TIMES LONGER THAN STORM'S ENTIRE PUBLICATION HISTORY! This rise had nothing to do with Storm whatsoever. She played a bit part in the book and that is it. Storm had zero solo issues during this time period despite being in two X-men movies at the time (as a back up character).

62 issues, no Storm help

In 2005, both Black Panther and Storm had their own solo series starting. Black Panther, vol 4, ended up lasting 41 issues from 2005-2008 before being relaunched. Ororo: Before the Storm lasted four. When Before the Storm #1 came out, it sold 26,000 issues. That same month, Black Panther #5 sold 37,000.

During this same period (2006), Storm, vol 2, was released. It was a story that, wait for it... CENTERED AROUND T'CHALLA! That is right, volume two used T'challa to bolster a Storm book as Storm, vol 2, #1 sold 32,800 issues.. a nearly 7,000 issue increase from her last book. It lasted six issues.

Black Panther, vol 4, #18 is one of the claim to fame moments for Storm fans who have this incorrect opinion. It was the "Marriage of the Century" between Storm and T'challa. This is "the moment" that "proves" that Storm was used to elevate Black Panther (despite all the prior evidence against that was already shown).

#18 jumped in sales to nearly 70,000 (up from 28,000). However, this was a one issue boost only. The numbers for #19 immediately dropped back down to the 28,000 range and stayed in that range until Hudlin started tying into Civil War and then Fantastic Four. Storm did NOT result in a sales increase for Black Panther... it was simply a one issue "event" type of comic that lead to speculators buying an abnormal amount. Despite Storm being in the book until the "Back to Africa" arc, it lead to no increase in sales whatsover. Hudlin had to use events to accomplish a sales increase.

No change in sales. 

In between Black Panther vol 4 and vol 5, Storm had another series, X-Men: World's Apart (2009) that, once again, used Black Panther and Wakanda and this time even the X-men name to sell. It opened at 31,000 before quickly dropping to 21,000 the second issue. It lasted four issues.

Black Panther, vol 5, was essentially a Shuri book with T'challa and Storm as guest stars. The reason for the sales boost had nothing to do with Storm (who was a regular since the marriage) but actually due to the book tying into Dark Reign, the go-to strategy for Hudlin to increase sales. Despite being a Shuri book, it still lasted 12 issues before being cancelled.

Black Panther moved to Hell's Kitchen for a doomed 18 issue run (yes, 18 issue run is considered doomed for T'challa). Storm guest stared during Kraven (#519-520) arc of the book... which resulted in not a single increased sell at all.

No change in sales

The marriage was then ended in 2012, during the Avengers vs X-Men event.

Since then, T'challa enjoyed being front and center to one of the most popular Avenger's story lines of all time (Hickman's run), which then transitioned into Black Panther vol 6, which is pushing 20 issues with no sign of stopping, along with numerous spin off books. Outside of the comics, he was an integrate hero in Captain America: Civil War which transitioned into his upcoming solo movie in February 2018 before moving on to being an integral part of Avengers: Infinity War. At the same time, he became a cast member on the Avengers Assemble cartoon and will soon anchor the cartoon  for a season.

None of these things involved Storm.

Storm, on the other hand, has been her typical "X-men" self... a supporting character in a team book. Her 2014 solo series failed, dropping under 20K in sales by the 4th issue and lasting only 11 issues, despite having a known, popular comic writer attached to it (something T'challa hasn't had since Priest). Storm appeared in X-Men: Apocalypse, only to barely have any lines at all.

Storm has begun appearing back into the Black Panther books once again starting with season two and she even appeared in Black Panther and the Crew. And there are rumor of a solo book appearing once again... with the Black Panther writer.

So, once again, history is repeating itself. Black Panther becomes a happening property and Storm comes along to ride the coat tails . Not the other way around.

Thursday, October 26, 2017

Black Panther Myth: Black Panther #166 is Numbered Correctly


The Myth

Marvel Legacy introduced legacy numbering for all of their comics, where they added up all their previous books and continued the numbering from there. Black Panther, vol 6, #19 became Black Panther #166. This signifies that Marvel believes Black Panther has had 165 issues. 



Marvel Legacy is Marvel comics next big "rebranding" gimmick. Instead of angering comic fanboy nerds by constantly relaunching to #1... Marvel just went ahead and added everything up like it has been one large volume and relaunched that way instead. With Black Panther, they renumbered to #166.

But in doing that, instead of angering a legion of number fanboys... they irritated one comic nerd with a Black Panther blog and the ability to count.

The Fact

Adding up all Black Panther labeled solo titles, we have actually had 169 issues. Adding up all of Black Panther's solo books, we have had 193. If we go ahead and count Panther's Quest (I wouldn't), you would actually have 218.




The first argument for 165 being the number could be, "they only counted ongoing titles." However, Gillis' run may be seen as a mini series now but is consistently labeled "volume 2" everywhere. I have never seen it not labeled that. And anyway... everyone calls Priest volume 3, Hudlin vol 4, ect. So there had to be a volume in between Kirby (volume 1) and the others... and that would be Gillis.

So, that is bullshit. At the absolute very least, the number should have 169, making the newest issue 170. Which is also a much cooler, round number than 166.

But also... other Marvel Legacy renumberings did in fact count some  mini-series.


If they can count Deadpool: The Circle Chase #1-4 and Deadpool #1-4... they should have counted Black Panther (1988) #1-4.

That puts us at 169.

But also take a look at "Agent X (2002) #1-15. That is a book that doesn't have Deadpool in the title... meaning the "It has to have the characters name on the title!" thing is out the window. So if mini's count and "alternate named" books count, that means Panther Prey #1-4 counts.

That puts us at 173.

Now we have to decide what to do about the Jungle Action issues. So let's take a look at the Hulk renumbering...



They counted EVERY SINGLE issue of Tales to Astonish, despite not even showing up until #60.

And let's look at Captain America...



They counted EVERY SINGLE issue of Tales of Supsense for Captain America, despite not even showing until #59. (yet didn't count any of the issues for Iron Man).

Next up is Thor...



where they counted EVERY SINGLE issue of Journey into Mystery for Thor, despite not staring in the book  until #83.

Jungle Action freaking counts. 193.

Counting those series means you would hit the big 200 in spring. Double ship just a touch and you hit #200 right when the movie comes out. Which would be perfect for marketing and hopefully getting some sort of crossover from MCU fans.

With what they did for Hulk, Thor, and Captain America, you could likely make an argument for Panther's Quest (Marvel Presents #13-37) counting. Hell, a lot of Tales of Suspense were split issues... just like Quest. But, Quest was so chopped up, I just don't think it should count. It shouldn't have counted for anyone. But if you did, you can add 25 more issues, bringing the total to a hypothetical 218.

Does any of this matter? Absolutely not. But, if you are going to do something like this, you might as well do it right (or at least be consistent).


Monday, June 26, 2017

Black Panther Myth: T'challa Staggered The Hulk



The Myth


During the massive fight between multiple Avenger's teams in Hickman's Time Runs Out saga, Black Panther staggered an alternate reality Hulk with a slash/slap/punch. 


You may have seen this fact on internet forums, Facebook, and Instagram. Even on forums with "hardcore" fans, they use this fact to justify that T'challa was "super powered" due to his King of the Dead upgrade. Or you will see this on various "Black Panther feats" posts or threads who never post sources (even if they straight up steal my shit).

And then this image is posted:



And yeah... it does like T'challa have the Hulk one of his pimp hand specials.


The Facts


T'challa did not stagger the Hulk. Sunspot did. 


Here is the full, un-cropped scan from New Avengers, vol 3, #28 (Hickman's run):



Let us zoom in for the people who want to be really dense about this:




This is why all feats should have SOURCES! All feats should have SCANS! This is CLEARLY Sunspot decking alternate reality Hulk. Not T'challa. I don't even know what T'challa is doing here, but if I had to guess by his arm position and what he was doing in the previous panels, he is likely throwing an energy dagger at someone.

One thing he ain't doing is staggering the Hulk.


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